M16 v.s Famas...

[LiOnHeArT24]

I've heard that statistically the Famas is better than the M16 but I've also heard that the M16 with a holographic sight is better than the Famas because the holo gives the M16:
- More accuracy
- More range
- A damage boost
- A tighter burst spread

Just wanted to get some thoughts/opinions if any of this or some of this is true? Thanks :)

[PS3andCOD]

I've heard that it is more acurate (sighted up) with the holographic, and I beleive that to be true. I doubt the damage though.

[M1A1xVIKINGxFTW]

I've heard that it is more acurate (sighted up) with the holographic, and I beleive that to be true. I doubt the dammage though.
no it is true...go on highrise and shoot the glass one shot at a time with the m16 and the holo adds .94% more damage...base damage is 24.06 per shot so add a holo and each bullet does 25% damage

[PS3andCOD]

It makes a difference on the glass? I'll have to try shooting up some people offline...

[LiOnHeArT24]

It makes a difference on the glass? I'll have to try shooting up some people offline...


Let us know what your findings are about this PS3andCOD thanks :)

[PS3andCOD]

Might be a while. Haven't played since Friday, got culminating projects on the go...

[papershoes]

Both guns do 40 (close) or 30 (far) damage per bullet depending on distance. The Famas' maintains the 40 damage at longer distances than the m16 and shoots its 3 bullets faster than the m16. That is why many prefer the Famas over the M16. The M16's advantage is that it has a faster fire rate meaning the next set of 3 bullets can be fired quicker than the Famas (eg: you keep tapping the right trigger to fire shots).

I thought only the FAL had a damage increase with the Holographic Sight. It does 55 (close) or 35 (far) damage per bullet depending on distance. The Holographic on the FAL raises the 35 to 40.

I'm doubting it increases the M16's damage. The geeks data mined the PC version of the game a long time ago to find out the real numbers on the guns and nothing was mentioned about the Holographic boosting the M16's damage.

[M1A1xVIKINGxFTW]

Both guns do 40 (close) or 30 (far) damage per bullet depending on distance. The Famas' maintains the 40 damage at longer distances than the m16 and shoots its 3 bullets faster than the m16. That is why many prefer the Famas over the M16. The M16's advantage is that it has a faster fire rate meaning the next set of 3 bullets can be fired quicker than the Famas (eg: you keep tapping the right trigger to fire shots).

I thought only the FAL had a damage increase with the Holographic Sight. It does 55 (close) or 35 (far) damage per bullet depending on distance. The Holographic on the FAL raises the 35 to 40.

I'm doubting it increases the M16's damage. The geeks data mined the PC version of the game a long time ago to find out the real numbers on the guns and nothing was mentioned about the Holographic boosting the M16's damage.
Really.....no.....why does it take 3 shots to kill someone....with your stats it would take two...also no the holo doesn't give any more power(tested yesterday) it is twice as acurate with a holo though...and by the way what **** app/website ar you getting your stats from....if your going to say anything at least test it first.

[PS3andCOD]

They do 20 at long, I've seen the charts too. And that makes sense, as it would be one burst kills at any range with stopping power and 30. I don't think there are any guns that get raised damage with certain attatchments. Those are glitches, they fix them pretty quickly. I did an update when I put the disk in the evening it came out.

[M1A1xVIKINGxFTW]

They do 20 at long, I've seen the charts too. And that makes sense, as it would be one burst kills at any range with stopping power and 30. I don't think there are any guns that get raised damage with certain attatchments. Those are glitches, they fix them pretty quickly. I did an update when I put the disk in the evening it came out.
Yea me too...but on xbox there was no update

[papershoes]

Really.....no.....why does it take 3 shots to kill someone....with your stats it would take two...also no the holo doesn't give any more power(tested yesterday) it is twice as acurate with a holo though...and by the way what poop app/website ar you getting your stats from....if your going to say anything at least test it first.

Go learn to format a sentence. You being a mod here means you're a part of the Viking brand to some degree. With that said "..." stop looking like a moron around here. Consider my name calling a retaliation to your rudeness.

The chart can be found here as well as a bunch of other places by now.
http://denkirson.xanga.com/715966769/modern-warfare-2/

I have done Long Shot tests on High Rise by standing on the edges of the west side of the map. I made sure to aim low to avoid the neck/head multipliers that the FAL has.

FAL + Holo + Stopping Power took 2 shots to kill. (40 x .4, 56 damage per bullet)
FAL + Red Dot + Stopping Power took 3 shots to kill. (35 x .4, 49 damage per bullet)


They do 20 at long, I've seen the charts too. And that makes sense, as it would be one burst kills at any range with stopping power and 30. I don't think there are any guns that get raised damage with certain attatchments. Those are glitches, they fix them pretty quickly. I did an update when I put the disk in the evening it came out.

If this is regarding the Famas and M16 you could be wrong. I did a similar test (mentioned above) with the Famas. This was trickier because on long shots it's common that 1 (or 2) bullets may miss the target. Obviously in real game situations with moving targets it's highly unlikely to land all 3 bullets of a single burst. However, this does prove it's doing at least 30 damage from long shots.

Famas (w/ Red Dot for aiming) + Stopping Power took 3 bullets to kill. (30 x .4, 42 damage per bullet)

[M1A1xVIKINGxFTW]

Look I'm just going to say this nicely....don't tell me how to write.

[PS3andCOD]

I agree with M1A1, that was just trying not to be an a$$. If you look at those charts, you'd see they have the same rpm, the fammas does not shoot faster. The m16 reloads faster, and switches faster. The FAL is the only gun they claim to change with attatchments other than silencer's range...

[papershoes]

If you look at those charts, you'd see they have the same rpm, the fammas does not shoot faster. The m16 reloads faster, and switches faster.

I probably selected something other than the m16 when comparing with the Famas. My mistake.


The FAL is the only gun they claim to change with attatchments other than silencer's range...

That's what I said in my initial post and concluded in my test. However, boy wonder says it isn't true.

[papershoes]

Look I'm just going to say this nicely....don't tell me how to write.

I know getting a reality check from someone hurts. Pay more attention in English class to avoid growing into one of those $%@#%@ adults who can't even help their child write a school paper. Sorry dude.

[M1A1xVIKINGxFTW]

Look I'm just going to say this nicely....don't tell me how to write.

I know getting a reality check from someone hurts. Pay more attention in English class to avoid growing into one of those $%@#%@ adults who can't even help their child write a school paper. Sorry dude.
It's ok...I just hate it when anyone tells me how to do somthing....I guess I'm stoborn...lol

[PS3andCOD]

The FAL is the only gun they claim to change with attatchments other than silencer's range...

That's what I said in my initial post and concluded in my test. However, boy wonder says it isn't true.
I know that's what you said, I'm just a little skeptical if thats right. If it's wrong, it's not your fault, you were just reading the chart. I just find it suspicious that that's the only gun with any damage differences not acosiated with silencer... FMJ even says it ups the damage a bit, but it doesn't. I think they would fix it if that was true. That's not realitic either.

[PS3andCOD]

Alright, tried this out, it seems like there may be a glitch with the FAL holo, I managed to kill someone from the ridge to the bunker on Afgahn in two hits 5 or 6 times. It is a bit of a different story on the m16, at the same distance I never managed to kill in one burst without stoping power, even going for head shots. That means it can't be 30, as you could get a kill with a single head shot out of the 3 shots. I definatly had a few bursts that were chest - chest - head, and they didn't kill. I managed to kill in one burst a few times with stoping power, but not every time with that either, it needed a headshot too I beleive.

[LiOnHeArT24]

Alright, tried this out, it seems like there may be a glitch with the FAL holo, I managed to kill someone from the ridge to the bunker on Afgahn in two hits 5 or 6 times. It is a bit of a different story on the m16, at the same distance I never managed to kill in one burst without stoping power, even going for head shots. That means it can't be 30, as you could get a kill with a single head shot out of the 3 shots. I definatly had a few bursts that were chest - chest - head, and they didn't kill. I managed to kill in one burst a few times with stoping power, but not every time with that either, it needed a headshot too I beleive.


When you performed the test with the FAL Holo in Afghan were you using stopping power? Also I took your advice on setting the sps (shots per second) to the max of 50 shots on the custom driver for my M16/Famas and I really felt like it help out I can't explain it but it did, which leads to my next question I have another rapid fire controller I purchased on eBay which has a programmable mode that will let me set the sps higher than 50 would that make it better? Thanks for you help :)

[lunosla]

for some reason i perfer the famas way over the m16 wings of redmetion says it has amore constinant deaths from a single burst and a slower rate of fire and relod time and a horible spray gun but i think machine pistols are good for the close corter combat that the famas is horible for. well i dont know mabye that will change when i get my raven :D
P.S. r ps3 thubsticks really that good beacuse i put them on there beacuse i oreded mine during a ten percent of sale

[PS3andCOD]

Depends on your play style, PS3 sticks are convex. Theoreticaly you coud get faster with higher than 50, but I'm thinking 50 might just be the ideal number for reasons too complicated to explain in less than 300 words, but haveing to do with being a multiple of 5. Also, viking has fast reloads etc. so I'd just stick with viking.

[LiOnHeArT24]

Depends on your play style, PS3 sticks are convex. Theoreticaly you coud get faster with higher than 50, but I'm thinking 50 might just be the ideal number for reasons too complicated to explain in less than 300 words, but haveing to do with being a multiple of 5. Also, viking has fast reloads etc. so I'd just stick with viking.


Alright thanks I was just wondering! I love my Hammer controller :)

[PS3andCOD]

No problem. Maybe if I'm bored in the summer I'll write up a full explaination of why I beleive 50 to be an ideal speed for the burst guns, but it would take too long to do now.

[LiOnHeArT24]

No problem. Maybe if I'm bored in the summer I'll write up a full explaination of why I beleive 50 to be an ideal speed for the burst guns, but it would take too long to do now.


That would be sweet!!! Whenever you get the chance, I would definitely like to know the reasoning behind this especially since I use the burst guns! Thanks again :D

[PS3andCOD]

Alright, I get off school next week, so I'll see about it then I guess.

[JeremyC95]

Well I would say M16 becuz

less time between burst
faster reload

but the FAMAS
is more accurate so you get more 1 burst kills

but if you slap on holographic sight on the M16 it is just as accurate

o and dude the famas has less spread than the m16

[PS3andCOD]

There is not less time between bursts. They are exactly equal at 0.2 seconds. I don't think the spread is any different, but I agree on the rest.

[LiOnHeArT24]

There is not less time between bursts. They are exactly equal at 0.2 seconds. I don't think the spread is any different, but I agree on the rest.



So both the Famas and M16 have the same time delay between bursts? I have noticed that I do get more one burst kills with the Famas + RDS (especially in long distances)but why? If the spreads are the same then it's the accuracy right? Then again I haven't tried the M16 + Holo combo but I will as soon as I unlock it! So basically from my understanding the M16 + Holo combo will give me the same amount of one burst kills at long distances as the Famas since the Holo on the M16 makes it just as accurate as the Famas right???

[PS3andCOD]

Probably. I beleive that the hipfire radiuses are the same, but the FAMAS is a little more acurate when aiming down the sights.

[LiOnHeArT24]

Probably. I beleive that the hipfire radiuses are the same, but the FAMAS is a little more acurate when aiming down the sights.


A little more accurate than the Holo M16??? It kinda makes sense since the RDS give you a better view than the Holo sight, well at least for me it does :D

[PS3andCOD]

Yeah, I prefer red dot too, unless the holo is glitched like the FAL or M16.

[PS3andCOD]

OK, here goes why 50 is probably the ideal speed. First of all, you want to be as fast as possible, because the game ignores all inputs until the gun is allowed to shoot again. The faster the sps, the closer together the trigger pulls are, and the sooner a trigger pull will happen after the gun is ready to shoot again. Since 50 is the fastest available in the custum editor, it is the ideal viking speed by this theory. Another reason that 50 is ideal is that the burst guns shoot every 0.2 seconds. Since you need 5 0.2 second times to make one full second, and 50 is a multiple of 5, it should hae a trigger pull falling exactly on each 0.2 second ending. By this reasoning, any multiple of 5 should work well. The one problem here is that the gun might not shoot when the trigger is pulled exactly on the 0.2 second interval, so the other theory comes into affect. Basically, 50 should work great, but 5 might work just as well... I would not go with say, the 666 from intensafire, because it is not a multiple of 5, and I doubt it is actually 666 anyways.

[LiOnHeArT24]

I've been using 50sps for both my M16/Famas and it seems to work just fine, I've tried the jitter mods but the zooming in and out throws my aim off maybe the will come out with a custom jitter mod if possible. Thanks you PS3andCOD for the time you put into explaining this for me I really appreciate it, again thanks for the help :D

[PS3andCOD]

No problem. It isn't proven or anything, but it logicaly makes sense.

[xEZxSNIPEx]

depends on the range and what perks and the victim is using the painkiller deathstreak

[Toysrme]

wow so many noobs.

For accuracy:
M16+HS > FAMAS (any sight) > M16 (non HS)
ROF = all 3burst weapons have the same ROF
Reload = m16 > Famas
Full reload 2.447s > 2.6s
Add Time 1.12s > 2.2s

Damage Famas ****s all over the M16:

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4870/mw2snakexweapon.png

[LiOnHeArT24]

That's a pretty cool chart there so basically the M16 w/Holo beats the Famas in every category except in damage? I thought they both had the same damage base both close and long ranges but that the Famas kept the higher damage base at longer distances than the M16? But...if the M16 w/Holo is more accurate than the Famas w/ any sight then wouldn't the M16 w/Holo keep the higher damage base at long distances just like the Famas??? Does the chart take into consideration that the M16 w/Holo is a glitch? This is just what I think correct me if I'm wrong but if I'm correct the the clear winner is the M16 w/ Holo :D

[PS3andCOD]

They do the same damage, the FAMAS just does it's full damage at longer range. But if you don't hit with the full burst, it doesn't matter...